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[2:07:24 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Ok, i can be here as well!
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[2:08:07 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Please stay Jennifer.
[2:09:11 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Jennifer, can you read me?
[2:09:36 PM] Jennifer Watson says: yes
[2:10:10 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: we now have two double session -;)
[2:10:34 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Now we need Carol!
[2:10:36 PM] Jennifer Watson says: hello
[2:11:35 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Can you add Carol?
[2:12:03 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Already did
[2:12:44 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Carol is switching computers - hold on
[2:13:35 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Ok, i am holding on. How are you Jennifer?
[2:14:13 PM] Carol Perryman says: here I am
[2:14:28 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Hello!
[2:14:30 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Will we get a transcript or should we take notes?
[2:14:43 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: My chathistory is ON
[2:14:45 PM] Carol Perryman says: I believe this provides a transcript
[2:14:56 PM] Jennifer Watson says: great
[2:15:09 PM] Carol Perryman says: jennifer did you share that info with guus?
[2:15:20 PM] Jennifer Watson says: yes - did you get it Guus?
[2:15:48 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Sorry , did you send something recently (as in today?) or ...
[2:15:55 PM] Jennifer Watson says: just now
[2:16:12 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: i see it yes!
[2:16:35 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Carol sent 3 possible sections before
[2:16:57 PM] Carol Perryman says: the first seemed less likely when I reviewed the descriptions agani
[2:17:00 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: And now down to two
[2:17:05 PM] Carol Perryman says: but of course we can look at them
[2:17:10 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Yes the first seemed to have more requirements than the others
[2:17:16 PM] Carol Perryman says: do you remember what the 3rd was?\
[2:17:23 PM] Carol Perryman says: oh, right
[2:17:40 PM] Jennifer Watson says: The sections were Educational Media; Leadership; and Public Health
[2:17:52 PM] Jennifer Watson says: I vote for 2 or 3
[2:17:56 PM] Carol Perryman says: I like the leadership one
[2:18:31 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Guus did you see this e-mail from Oct 5?
[2:18:45 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: hmmm, Educational Media?, Public health?
[2:18:47 PM] Carol Perryman says: public health is an invited panel,not contributed papers
[2:18:56 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: ok
[2:19:18 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: yes i did Jennifer
[2:19:26 PM] Carol Perryman says: er - wait, there's a second one they're sponsoring
[2:19:36 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Saw it, not completly digested it ...
[2:19:42 PM] Carol Perryman says: Filling the Void: Creating Access to All from Anywhere
[2:19:54 PM] Carol Perryman says: DESCRIPTION: Increasingly libraries and librarians are being asked to serve more diverse and dispersed users. This program will showcase new models for providing access to information from anywhere in the world, through the use of tools like PDAs and promotion of open access electronic publications.
[2:20:11 PM] Jennifer Watson says: That looks good
[2:20:13 PM] Carol Perryman says: it does
[2:20:35 PM] Carol Perryman says: I have a bit of an issue with the providing access part
[2:20:36 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Very
[2:20:44 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: It is my subject
[2:20:50 PM] Jennifer Watson says: That's the public health one you sent us before
[2:20:54 PM] Carol Perryman says: since we cannot at present provide access to all library resources
[2:21:54 PM] Jennifer Watson says: what about this one? Leadership and Management Section   Sections: Hospital Libraries, Technical Services   Declaring Our Independence:  Ringing in New Practices, New Partners, New Spaces   Contributed Papers and Posters   Barbara Epstein
DESCRIPTION: A broad-based session calling for papers about innovative library programs, collaborations, or use of space or resources.
[2:21:58 PM] Carol Perryman says: yes
[2:22:07 PM] Carol Perryman says: it certainly is innovative
[2:22:17 PM] Jennifer Watson says: and a use of space
[2:22:22 PM] Carol Perryman says: yes
[2:22:32 PM] Carol Perryman says: we can select 2
[2:22:32 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: yes
[2:22:47 PM] Carol Perryman says: we can make one our first choice and also select the other
[2:22:55 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Can we?
[2:23:04 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Now she says ..
[2:23:09 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: :)
[2:23:09 PM] Carol Perryman says: :)
[2:23:10 PM] Carol Perryman says: sorry
[2:23:16 PM] Carol Perryman says: I forgot?
[2:23:26 PM] Carol Perryman says: but what's our top preference?
[2:23:34 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Do we do 2 abstracts - 1 for each?
[2:23:38 PM] Carol Perryman says: no
[2:23:55 PM] Carol Perryman says: just 1 - during the submission process you select your themes
[2:24:09 PM] Jennifer Watson says: so we should make sure it fits with both themes
[2:24:26 PM] Carol Perryman says: I don't think we will have any problem
[2:24:43 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: And : Educational Media and Technologies Section: 1,776 Uses for Technologies
[2:24:44 PM] Carol Perryman says: but of course we need to talk about what, exactly, we are going to focus un
[2:24:52 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: ?
[2:25:04 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: As new technologies continue to permeate our digital lives, the impact on the library environment has resulted in both opportunities and challenges for library operations and services. New technologies create an environment that does not require users to physically come to the library to fulfill their information needs. IM, blogs & RSS, wikis, podcasting, and other technologies can help us virtually connect with our users. However, using these same technologies may require a “revolution” in librarian practice and user training
[2:25:23 PM] Carol Perryman says: that's the one we thought had too many requirements
[2:25:29 PM] Carol Perryman says: but certainly suitable
[2:25:41 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Yes you had to demonstrate your success
[2:25:43 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: ok, sorry
[2:25:55 PM] Jennifer Watson says: We're just getting going so we don't have much to say yet
[2:25:55 PM] Carol Perryman says: no, no
[2:26:19 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Right
[2:26:30 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: For a follow-up later
[2:26:39 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Good idea!
[2:26:45 PM] Carol Perryman says: ok, so I vote for leadership first, filling the void, second
[2:26:54 PM] Jennifer Watson says: sounds good
[2:26:58 PM] Carol Perryman says: guus?
[2:26:59 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Agreed!
[2:27:04 PM] Carol Perryman says: awesome!
[2:27:19 PM] Carol Perryman says: have either of you done a structured abstract?
[2:27:29 PM] Jennifer Watson says: No but you have ...
[2:27:29 PM] Carol Perryman says: or submitted a poster/paper to mla?
[2:27:31 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: I must say, my experience with MLA is minimal, actually zero
[2:27:36 PM] Jennifer Watson says: nope
[2:27:37 PM] Carol Perryman says: k
[2:27:45 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Just for the EAHIL
[2:27:54 PM] Jennifer Watson says: what's that?
[2:27:58 PM] Carol Perryman says: I've done 2 papers and a poster - am doing another poster submission now
[2:28:18 PM] Carol Perryman says: mla requires a structured abstract
[2:28:35 PM] Carol Perryman says: all we need now is 2 sections: objectives and methods
[2:28:38 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: European Associaltion of Health & Information Libraries
[2:28:54 PM] Carol Perryman says: there are guidelines for the development of these abstracts
[2:28:59 PM] Carol Perryman says: set up on EBL
[2:29:10 PM] Jennifer Watson says: I hadn't heard of that one - I'm in the CILIP health group in the UK
[2:29:20 PM] Carol Perryman says: and examples we can use... EBL happens to be my dissertation focus
[2:29:38 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Wonderful
[2:29:40 PM] Jennifer Watson says: what's the URL for that?
[2:29:42 PM] Carol Perryman says: cilip is grand!
[2:29:47 PM] Carol Perryman says: hang on - I'll get it
[2:30:03 PM] Jennifer Watson says: I don't often meet people who've heard of CILIP!
[2:30:18 PM] Carol Perryman says: http://mlanet.org/am/am2007/paper_faq.html
[2:30:37 PM] Carol Perryman says: oh hey - I'm so into ebl - the uk is a world leader for ebl..
[2:30:51 PM] Carol Perryman says: andrew booth - I would so love to work with him
[2:30:53 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: http://www.eahil.net/index.htm
[2:30:58 PM] Jennifer Watson says: I didn't know that
[2:31:18 PM] Jennifer Watson says: I'm looking at http://research.mlanet.org/structured_abstract.html
[2:31:25 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: I have had several workshops with Andrew on EAHIL conferences
[2:31:43 PM] Jennifer Watson says: the name sounds familiar
[2:31:57 PM] Carol Perryman says: he's working with me and joanne marshall on the eblip4 conference
[2:32:33 PM] Jennifer Watson says: I'm printing this out - hold on
[2:32:38 PM] Carol Perryman says: k
[2:33:09 PM] Carol Perryman says: I think our question is going to need to be something like, 'what is the experience of being a medical librarian at SL'?
[2:33:32 PM] Carol Perryman says: with a second question, 'how does the SL experience compare to RL'
[2:34:09 PM] Carol Perryman says: we can go broad - and make this an overview of library services, issues, and plans
[2:34:36 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Wouldn't our objective be to provide library services in sl?
[2:34:54 PM] Carol Perryman says: focusing on the discrepancies between rl & sl, and emphasising the potential for networking, new visions for 'library as place'
[2:35:23 PM] Jennifer Watson says: I like the library as place thing
[2:36:15 PM] Carol Perryman says: look at this exemplar research question:
[2:36:17 PM] Carol Perryman says: To measure electronic resources usage at the ______ Library and Informatics Center over the 2001-2002 period as a means of predicting future use.
[2:36:21 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: i like to find out the influence of ol this on normal librarianship
[2:36:34 PM] Jennifer Watson says: none here
[2:36:46 PM] Carol Perryman says: it is the one closest (I think) to our focus (if we have one!)
[2:37:05 PM] Jennifer Watson says: what is?
[2:37:32 PM] Carol Perryman says: "to explore the potential for a virtual world in providing medical library services'
[2:37:45 PM] Jennifer Watson says: yes definitely
[2:37:56 PM] Carol Perryman says: the exemplar - we need a research statement
[2:38:04 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: and learn how to improve and adjust current practice in Rl
[2:38:09 PM] Carol Perryman says: so - the question is: what is our question?
[2:38:25 PM] Carol Perryman says: that will be an outcome
[2:38:37 PM] Carol Perryman says: or is that among our objectives?
[2:39:16 PM] Carol Perryman says: the objective is connected to the paper, not to sl: we need to state what we intend to do in our paper
[2:39:26 PM] Jennifer Watson says: okay I see
[2:39:31 PM] Carol Perryman says: that's the most confusing part of writing these things!
[2:40:01 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: i am trying to get myself a picture of what we want to do in the paper
[2:40:18 PM] Carol Perryman says: yes
[2:40:59 PM] Carol Perryman says: here is the objectives section of an abstract I just submitted
[2:41:00 PM] Carol Perryman says: Objective: limit 60 words, current word count: 57
Health sciences libraries face increasingly complex issues and projects, but planning templates derived from the business world have not always been successfully integrated in library settings.  Evidence-based library practices enable libraries to take a fresh look at the planning process. Our objective was to devise a scaleable project  planning template which encourages the use of evidence-based methods.
[2:41:10 PM] Jennifer Watson says: We want to show people what we're doing in sl - I know that's not a research objective
[2:41:18 PM] Carol Perryman says: right
[2:41:34 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: we started something in Sl, almost without preparation, and we want to tell about that?
[2:42:11 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: We can use the objectives of the SL Library?
[2:42:47 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Okay, maybe we can say there are 400,000 people in sl, or whatever, and we wanted to provide library services to them - something like that
[2:43:45 PM] Carol Perryman says: "Health science libraries are experiencing a revolution, as patrons require increasing collaboration and ubiquitous access to information..."
[2:44:55 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Isn't the point that the sl people weren't patrons of a library -we want to make them patrons?
[2:45:17 PM] Carol Perryman says: is that the point?
[2:45:31 PM] Carol Perryman says: or are we exploring new models of information provision?
[2:45:36 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: It is one point. The other is to explore
[2:45:39 PM] Carol Perryman says: going to the patrons
[2:45:48 PM] Jennifer Watson says: going to non-patrons
[2:45:53 PM] Carol Perryman says: I think right now it is more to explore
[2:46:46 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: It depends. If our educators and teachers are getting in, we need to support them there as well
[2:47:01 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: And researchers
[2:47:03 PM] Carol Perryman says: we do not have a drive at present to inform all sl about the medlib... our focus is on collaboration (with multitype libraries, with different user groups), collections (development & access issues)..
[2:47:37 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: right
[2:47:43 PM] Carol Perryman says: think about how we have been asked to collab on cme
[2:47:53 PM] Carol Perryman says: the questions are - how?
[2:48:07 PM] Carol Perryman says: question IS, I should say
[2:48:38 PM] Carol Perryman says: because of course (ok, I can't assume that) the physicians involved are library patrons - at their own places
[2:48:57 PM] Carol Perryman says: in that instance it's not about converting nonusers
[2:49:07 PM] Carol Perryman says: it's all about exploring this new model
[2:49:14 PM] Carol Perryman says: and ways we can work together
[2:49:21 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: yes, but the CHi wants to reach out for non-library users as well
[2:49:27 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Yes, people are spending less time visitng libraries so we need to go where they are
[2:49:37 PM] Carol Perryman says: new communication methods, new ways to package info, new ways to teach
[2:49:47 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Right Jen1
[2:49:49 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: !
[2:49:55 PM] Jennifer Watson says: They may be library users or not - but we can reach them better in sl
[2:50:04 PM] Carol Perryman says: yes - that is part of the justification
[2:50:53 PM] Jennifer Watson says: What's the objective of your grant? Maybe we can draw on that in creating our objective
[2:51:10 PM] Carol Perryman says: with circulation down and demand for e-resources up, an increasing number of medical libraries are exploring ways to connect to the patrons.  At SL, we...
[2:51:21 PM] Carol Perryman says: that was part of it
[2:51:28 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: It is a "certain part" of potential users, others will be best served by other ways/means
[2:51:39 PM] Carol Perryman says: hang on, I'll grab some text from the narratiev
[2:51:48 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Yes its definitely a select group
[2:52:04 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Many consumer health patrons don't have the computer skills or hardware for sl
[2:52:27 PM] Jennifer Watson says: It's definitely a less embarassing way to ask for consumer health info
[2:52:32 PM] Jennifer Watson says: It has a lot of potential
[2:52:38 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: But libraries have to develop services and content that can be delivered in modules, by request in several ways
[2:52:39 PM] Carol Perryman says: In April 2006, Alliance Library System began to establish a full-service library in Second Life, a three-dimension virtual reality world with more than 300,000 global participants.  In this virtual world, an individual can participate in almost everything they can in real life:  buy land, purchase homes, start a business, make friends, and more.  In creating a library for these citizens we have quickly discovered that consumer health information is one of the most important services we could provide.  As more and more people of all ages use the Internet and spend increasing amounts of time online, we want to reach users where they are.  Through “Providing Consumer Health Outreach and Library Services to Virtual World Residents” the Alliance Second Life Library will provide training programs, outreach to virtual medical communities, important consumer health resources, and one-on-one support to Second Life residents.
[2:53:36 PM] Jennifer Watson says: "we want to reach users where they are" - I like that
[2:53:42 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: It still is a wonderful Grant!
[2:54:01 PM] Carol Perryman says: however, if we are writing about both the medlib & chil, the statement needs to be broader, I think
[2:54:44 PM] Jennifer Watson says: We're also going to be liaising with support groups that exist in sl
[2:54:47 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Jennifer, if you have time, have a look at this later: http://digicmb.blogspot.com/2006/09/into-user-environment-now.html
[2:54:51 PM] Carol Perryman says: I am thinking that we will need to think about - and draft - a statement of objectives that encompasses these 2 libraries
[2:55:48 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: It was my speech at the EAHIL Conference with a Sl movie to end it1
[2:56:01 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: sorry about this diversion.
[2:56:07 PM] Jennifer Watson says: I like your movie on your website - I showed it to my staff
[2:56:31 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: I agree Carol
[2:57:05 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Expand the Grant with the medlib objectives
[2:57:11 PM] Carol Perryman says: perhaps we can assign this to ourselves, and meet early next week (or - perhaps better - share our thoughts via email)
[2:58:05 PM] Jennifer Watson says: ok
[2:58:07 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: That is a good idea. But we have to think about the structered abstract as well
[2:58:20 PM] Carol Perryman says: we can use both libraries as examples of our activities... the sections of our paper can deal with areas such as : users, resources, staff, collections
[2:58:25 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Maybe make drafts of our own and compare?
[2:58:31 PM] Carol Perryman says: yes
[2:59:27 PM] Carol Perryman says: with lori's permission I will send you a copy of the entire grant narrative if you would like
[2:59:38 PM] Jennifer Watson says: It would be great to draw on that
[2:59:45 PM] Carol Perryman says: that's what I was thinking, yes
[3:00:17 PM] Carol Perryman says: I need to go, but can we set up a next meeting?
[3:00:33 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: yes
[3:00:52 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Wednesday again?
[3:01:09 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: ok, same time?
[3:01:27 PM] Jennifer Watson says: I can do that
[3:01:32 PM] Carol Perryman says: can we do it earlier?
[3:01:49 PM] Carol Perryman says: say at 10 sl time?
[3:01:55 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Let's make it Thursday if you want to go earlier
[3:02:16 PM] Carol Perryman says: thursday's good for me
[3:02:18 PM] Carol Perryman says: guus?
[3:03:02 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: yes, but how early? Is 07.00 sl any good, that way i am still at work
[3:03:18 PM] Jennifer Watson says: I can do that
[3:03:21 PM] Carol Perryman says: yes, that would work for me
[3:03:34 PM] Carol Perryman says: good, ok
[3:03:49 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Between 09.00 and 12.00 are family hours for me -;)
[3:03:52 PM] Carol Perryman says: and in the meanwhile, let's each run up a draft - just thinking on paper
[3:03:57 PM] Jennifer Watson says: skype or sl?
[3:04:04 PM] Carol Perryman says: skype
[3:04:14 PM] Carol Perryman says: in sl we get interrupted constantly
[3:04:23 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Can someone send me the transcript from today?
[3:04:24 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: ok
[3:04:31 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: i will try that yes1
[3:05:15 PM] Carol Perryman says: guus, where IS the chat history thing?
[3:05:22 PM] Jennifer Watson says: No need I just pasted it into Word
[3:05:57 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: ok, so you will send it?
[3:05:58 PM] Carol Perryman says: can we send our drafty drafts to one another prior to the meeting?
[3:06:09 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Or work on the wiko?
[3:06:12 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: wiki
[3:06:23 PM] Jennifer Watson says: The wiki would be a great way to do this
[3:06:23 PM] Carol Perryman says: wiki's a great thought
[3:06:32 PM] Carol Perryman says: I have one
[3:06:34 PM] Carol Perryman says: hang on
[3:06:58 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: That;s at least one great thought today ....
[3:07:03 PM] Carol Perryman says: http://tfrpsr.pbwiki.com/SL%20HealthInfo
[3:07:14 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: ;)
[3:07:14 PM] Carol Perryman says: maybe I should create a new page for this, though
[3:07:18 PM] Carol Perryman says: :)
[3:07:20 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Yes please
[3:07:24 PM] Carol Perryman says: k
[3:07:38 PM] Carol Perryman says: jen, can you send me a copy of the transcript oh please?
[3:07:49 PM] Jennifer Watson says: send us an e-mail when you've done that
[3:07:53 PM] Carol Perryman says: I'll post it on the wiki
[3:07:59 PM] Jennifer Watson says: Yes I'll send the transcript too.
[3:08:02 PM] Carol Perryman says: and we can post our drafts there
[3:08:03 PM] Carol Perryman says: thanks
[3:08:16 PM] Carol Perryman says: k, I'll do a page and send you both the url
[3:08:22 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: ok, have to go too. Thanks all! And maybe CU later on Sl?
[3:08:46 PM] Carol Perryman says: later later, if at all - I'm going out to dinner & studying with a friend
[3:08:57 PM] Jennifer Watson says: probably not - I'm revising a book chapter tonight
[3:09:04 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: Ok, i want to put some signs out
[3:09:07 PM] Carol Perryman says: ok, we're started!
[3:09:21 PM] Carol Perryman says: talk to you later
[3:09:23 PM] Carol Perryman says: thank you
[3:09:35 PM] Guus van den Brekel says: ok, bye Jennifer & Carol
[3:09:38 PM] Carol Perryman says: bye
[3:09:39 PM] Jennifer Watson says: bye
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